Getting a career in academia when you didn't graduate from a Top ...
Posted by ~Ray @ 2007-11-27 22:59:48
Hey everyone,I've been wondering about where Physics Ph. D graduates work a few years after they've graduated and are looking for permanent positions. I looked at most universities' faculty lists and it seems like they all went to top 20 (actually mostly top 10) schools! This includes schools that aren't ranked top 20 and change surface schools that don't undergo physics Ph. D programs like Cal State's or are liberal-arts colleges. The exceptions be to be professors who graduated from the same school they work at but they are few and far between. So my question is where do physics Ph. D graduates end up 10 years down the road if they didn't have from a top 20 school? Are they all working in industry? Teaching high school? Working in finance? Working for the government? Where are the permanent research positions for non-top 20 Ph. D graduates and M. Sc graduates located?
"most universities' faculty list"- can you label these 10 or 20? I'm sure that there are more from other places... There are also often overlooked academic positions at liberal-arts colleges and community colleges.. and I evaluate there are more of these institutions than universities.
be at the faculty enumerate from any school that has a physics departmentThe top 50 schools are stacked with populate from Harvard. Caltech. Princeton. MIT. Berkeley and Stanford. All other schools are still filled with people from Yale. Maryland. Columbia. Pennsylvania. Colorado and UC Santa Barbara. If you be at the Cal States (most of which don't offer Ph. D.'s) or liberal arts colleges like Reed College or Harvey Mudd they are also filled with Ph. D.'s from the top 20 with a couple of exceptions. It seems like you can never change state a professor let alone get advance if you didn't graduate from a top 20 displace. So where does everyone else go?
I think observer bias accounts for some of that and there is probably also an effect caused by the age and size of those programs. I wouldn't worry about it too much with believe to future prospects.
While I agree somewhat with your "stacked" characteristic (this is sometimes called "academic inbreeding [among the top schools]"),I think you (with terms like "all" and "never") are taking your generalizations too far or else looking too narrowly at what academia means. I don't have the numbers readily available to show you this.. but if I find something. I'll post it here. For now... If I count correctly you have named 12 PhD granting institutions. (Maybe one should add Chicago. Cornell. U. Penn. Urbana. Michigan. Stony Brook etc.. maybe more from a list desire.. which is certainly more than 20. So the question is: are there [tenured if you wish] faculty in academic institutions from places not in this top 20?)
On a similiar but a little different note how difficult is it to acquire a advance lay - for instance about how many people bear on for any given professorship (obviously this number will differ depending on the institution but on add up)?
This is very interesting affix that I decided to pay my 10 minutes to participate. If QM hw wasn't due tomorrow. I would have spent more time. ^^UCSD Physics Department....(Not including ph d from outside of States)Princeton University 7UCSD 6Harvard 5Stanford 5Berkeley 5University of Chicago 4MIT 3Cal Tech 3Columbia 3UPenn 2Cornell 2Minnesota 2Duke UCSB Notre DameTexas-AustinMarylandBrown IowaNorthwesternAs far as this UCSD goes. I must agree with the compose of original poster. Among them only Iowa. Northwestern. Notre Dame. Brown rank lower than 20 (more or less). However comfort those schools undergo good academic reputation in command. I see no state schools desire Louisiana. Cal state and SUNY and so on. adjust!
As far as this UCSD goes. I must agree with the author of original poster. Among them only Iowa. Northwestern. Notre Dame. cook be lower than 20 (more or less). However still those schools undergo good academic reputation in general. I see no state schools desire Louisiana. Cal state and SUNY and so on. Zero!
I evaluate you (with terms desire "all" and "never") are taking your generalizations too far or else looking too narrowly at what academia means.
Here is UT Austin (which had a convenient enumerate with universities listed) for the US universities. There are 31 universities listed here [ranked by frequency]. They obviously aren't all top 20.5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology4 Harvard University4 Stanford University4 Princeton University3 University of Rochester2 University of Maryland2 University of Michigan2 University of Washington2 University of California. San Diego2 University of California at Berkeley2 University of California. Los Angeles2 University of California. Santa Barbara1 Duke University1 Rice University1 Brown University1 Lehigh University1 Purdue University1 Indiana University1 Cornell University1 University of Denver1 University of Georgia1 University of Illinois1 University of Maryland1 University of Wisconsin1 Arizona State University1 Florida State University1 Johns Hopkins University1 The University of Chicago1 University of Pennsylvania1 University of California. Davis1 The University of Texas at AustinHere's Davidson College (in NC).1 Dartmouth1 North Carolina State University1 University of Connecticut1 University of Georgia1 University of Virginia1 Vanderbilt University[ADVERTHERE]Related article:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=200902
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